Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. I had lasik back in November and just had an enhancement to my left eye on Friday that I've been stressing about. Now they say I need more information such as previous eye prescription, doctors notes, and more. Thanks! How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. The flap is then placed back into its original position. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. I wasn't aware of the 3 months check. Anyone with any experience or advice? The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. Right now, between your profile information and this post, you're what we like to call a "tool bag". What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? Because the military does not. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. As above: the truth is easy to remember, keep consistent and coordinate with others. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. You need to provide all documents not just a cover letter or info sheet. It may be at MEPS, it may be later in your career. You were torn and want to be honest. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. They said "No problem, we'll work around it." Everyone I know lied about something, he'll if everyone was honest about drug use there wouldn't be a military. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. This was the man who my friend had confessed his pot usage to when we first showed up a month ago, but now my friend lied to him and he accepted the lie without hesitation. They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. Ive had the doctor write two letters and both have not been good enough. Unless someone wants to send the mods proof of their M.D., and dig into medical history, you have no business declaring whether or not anyone's medical condition is non-serious, important, real, or anything else. After seeing the counselor for about 3 months, he was diagnosed with Dysthymia and Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD). If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. He told them. Does MEPS pull your military medical records. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. She went to the SGTs and the Chaplin professing that she lied at MEPs. Breaking subreddit rules may result in a ban from r/newtothenavy and r/navy. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. Well today I reserved an 11x op 40 contract with plans to go to MEPS Tues/Wed. Generally speaking, no. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. Second, you state that the ORs are pushing you to lie. It does not belong to any particular service division. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. All Rights Reserved. MEPS threaten to put these kids in fucking prison if they lie, and they lie anyway. That's just the way it happens. So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. They don't pull up your records unless you need a clearance or unless it comes up. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. What's the deal? He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool+bag&defid=1959463. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. Fraudulent Enlistment. He also said that as long as I take care of it before I leave, I'll be fine. This is a process a person goes through after they have gone through the medical screening to join the army. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. It indicates, "Click to perform a search". They are looking for consistency". I am perfectly health for Army service and will be telling hte MEPS doctors that *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. If I were you I would lie and say it's from a camping trip or something. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. Make it impossible to lie? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Okay, so I need some advice. A magnifying glass. Thank you for the quick replies. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. One of the worst things in the world is getting a fraudulent enlistment discharge after making it through 2 months of boot. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. She said a recent one had about 30 pages regarding the procedure. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. uuugh, it was hot. Never saw him again. During the MEPS process, recruits may be tempted to lie about past events. The suicide counselor recommended he also consider seeing his own counselor. KUDOS! Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. I have changed a few details to maintain anonymity, however the basics of the stories are very real and did happen. We are going to have to start policing this, because it's becoming too common. Went to MEPS the next morning and everything was normal until medical debriefing. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. Don't even mention the scar unless they ask then keep it minimal "that was just from when I was a kid" if they ask more "yeah I was biking and fell" simple is good. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I was honest at MEPS. Good luck to you. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. For candidates lurking here, seeing how the post might apply to their own application, whether for SA or ROTC or OCS: If you have to ask should I Iie, then you already know the answer. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. So what are the lessons from these stories? However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. I was completely honest and I served honorably for 8 years. So you want to start a career founded on integrity by lying? ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. Seems ridiculous that I had the surgery over a year ago and this is the only thing stopping me from getting processed in MEPs. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). Same with another section. Know preoperative, operative, and postoperative . So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. john danaher instructional videos I lied at meps . The medics at BMT requested and reviewed her civilian medical records to possibly determine the cause and any history of the condition. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. Maybe from 2001-2007 or so she could. Applicants often need further evaluation or counseling before they can live the rigorous and stressful military lifestyle. What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I'm certain they won't be. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. She joined the army and just before graduating AIT she decided the Army wasn't for her (I told her not to do it, but did she listen? I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. I had the surgery in august of 2014. Thanks for the details. I went through in 2011 after Lasik. So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. I swear I was born in the wrong generation. Lying will. HELP!!! My cousin was in line for a navigator slot when he joined the Marines. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. (Navy). One new winner* is announced every week! Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. Just get off the meds asap, and keep your shit together for however long your recruiter says you need to. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. Be the first to receive exciting news, features, and special offers from Bodybuilding.com! JavaScript is disabled. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. MEPS' job is the same as the recruiter's job. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. She wanted to get out so bad she went full retard, doing something dishonorable to get thrown out on a general discharge. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . No. or "Do you have a history of depression? The criminal background check and security clearance investigations can and do find sealed records. Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. For more information, please see our Or just give up and wait for a couple of years? I told him "no" because I did disclose everything with him if asked. Integrity is what you do or how you act when no one is watching. Alright, you've got me interested. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. You probably dont even have ADHD because they hand out those diagnoses to kids like Candy. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . He passed MEPS, signed a contract, and entered Basic Military Training (BMT). It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Disclose EVERYTHING. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. Am I? She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. Let's Talk 3..e-mail: nathaliemunoz@live.comSubject "Let's Talk" you can send me anything you want from any topic!Previous LET'S TALK:1. https://goo.gl/jim. It is possible to lie about your depression during MEPS (Military Entrance Process). Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. It also helps prevent mods from profiling and censoring. Lasik and Meps processing Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. I have ADHD and a prescription but function perfectly fine off the meds bc ADHD does not effect me much at all anymore. lie at MEPS? I played my "sax" a lot in basic. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. Do not encourage lying. Always good advice. PERIOD. Now an MTI's recommendations are definitely considered, but they are really just a tiebreaker if the waiver authority is 50/50 on a case, and MTI's certainly do recommend separation sometimes. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" So do you think the cost is worth the benefit? The largest military subreddit on reddit. 1. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. For information regarding Navy enlisted ratings, see [Twisky's Rating Information Guide] (https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/). AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. This is my reaction as I am. May 6, 2020. So what should I do: should I call him and polk the bear? Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Not disclosing information at MEPS - Advice Needed. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. No personally identifying information (PII). When I went to meps, I went into a room with a doctor, he made me strip down to my underwear and told me to slowly spin in a circle twice, so they will most likely notice any major scars. Below are abstractions of a true stories. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. 4,250. Discomfort after surgery is minimal, and vision recovery usually takes place in 1 to 2 days. Did I Lie at MEPS??! Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. My ex, who was batshit crazy, probably Bi-polar and was on meds most of her teen life lied about it ALL at MEPs. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. Interested in Officer programs? It will regenerate itself in about three to five days. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Sounds about like what I figured. For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. Shoulda been a dishonorable. Don't worry, you'll be fine, I had no issues. I called the head recruiting office in my district and he said the same thing (trust but verify), that letters of rec are no longer considered important to packages. I got disqualified for disclosing a medical issue. I went through Air Force BMT in the lste 70's . You need to disclose it. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. Should I lie and say the scar is from an accident like jumping over a fence that needed stitches? A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. So its been about 2 weeks now and have been too scared to talk to him. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Privacy Policy. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. AF gives thumbs-up to pilots who had LASIK surgery - News - Stripes, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. In bootcamp a kid had asthma and almost passed out going through the chicken road and he got kicked out for lying about his asthma, so I would be honest. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. Don't they pull your medical records, or did this happen after they checked? ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. Tough but that is what it is when they find out. We can't definitively know the answer to these hypotheticals, but we do know that the military would have never prepared them for it because they never were evaluated. How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. Just something to think of. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). They don't understand this stuff. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. He said that there is a good chance that I could lose my op 40. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! Now the most commonly performed eye laser surgery, LASIK involves creating a partial-thickness corneal flap and using an excimer laser to ablate the bed of the cornea. Is your condition a liability to yourself or others? If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. For questions like "Have you ever had mental health counseling?" Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. If your eyes are otherwise healthy, the services will usually waive up to 5 diopters of cylinder (astigmatism). By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. I know I have to be able to function without medication and I can, but have not been consistently been of the medication simply because of the existence of standardized tests should I lie to my recruiter and say that while I have such a prescription I have been off it for atleast the minimum time period states or should I be honest because in reality it doesnt take a long time to get off a medication completely atleast for ADHD medications which are stimulants and what they dont know wont hurt them because my ADHD does not really effect me much at all anymore. 1. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. (if I do that then I would have to get all medical records I gave to them). It may not display this or other websites correctly. I'm guessing you're done. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Some background, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and thus have ADHD and have a prescription for but find that I dont really need it for things other than standardized tests which is not really al that ADHD related Im just a bad test taker. My recruiter is telling me that some things are best left unsaid. If you would like to protect yourself, add the Chrome extension TamperMonkey, or the Firefox extension GreaseMonkey and click Install This Script on the script page. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. His family supported the cousin and were part an intensive family counseling program for suicide prevention, however this had a strong impact on our young man. TL; DR Anyone with experience of LASIK eye surgery documentation sent to MEPS. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. Free online program to promote the safety and well-being of military families. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. In hindsight, had I known this disaster of 'hurry up and wait' would happen I would have waited another month to check in. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. You are using an out of date browser. I was at SOI-West last summer. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. What should I do. I was planning on saying the wrist scar was from jumping over the fence as a kid or something like that. Nice guy and not pushy. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Am I in danger like my friend said? I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education.
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