I commented on the story here but there is very little to go on. It may not be a dramatic sign or wonder, but it's still an answer to prayer. It's not the consummation. Untrustworthy Our Cultural Knowledge Crisis, [BONUS] The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. That's such a good way to frame that. In his early 30s? It is quite clear that once you allow one miraculous healing in, using evidence of just one person, then one has to let in a whole host of others. So we understand it's not, it's not saying that somebody has lack of faith. If you make such a claim, and that higher-than-average standard is not met, then you cannot be confident in that claim. And so on. Or in Matthew 12 and Luke 11 where is says, "If I by the finger of the Spirit of God drive out demons, the Kingdom of God has come upon you." The first question is, are there real miracles that get recorded on video. And he went to a retreat for the healing of the mind. Keener doesn't explore alternative hypotheses and how he'd distinguish between them. Scott Rae: Okay. This kind of phrasing is trying to stop people from being skeptical of their claims (and only their claims). He became a Christian in 1981 shortly after he decided to investigate Jesus and the Christian faith after his wife became a Christian. It's the same reason large careful studies aren't done -- they simply don't care enough, and are already believing, so why bother? but there comes a point when enough is enough. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. She's had no recurrence. Caleb was very nice in pointing out the documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, and correcting me in its reading. They also make the claim that, for example, in Heidi Baker's ministry in Mozambique these healing happen "all the time" and are thus replicable. The first step -- which the theists have not achieved -- is to just demonstrate that there is a real effect to be investigated. So I got what I could. And then the book that tells the story of your relationship to your wife called Impossible Love. Indianapolis, Indiana. Her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn around. And by teacher time it was 200 pages I decided okay, this needs to be a separate book. Done! It's walked though in a 5-part blog series: We keep coming back to the question about how you would test for miracles. What is more striking, especially for people who don't like Pentecostals or Charismatics, what's more striking is that the survey also in those 10 countries dealt with Christians who didn't consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic. Taking the story as the evidence is problematic. In response, Snyder said, "I am proud to be president of Case Western Reserve and intend to continue in this role for many years to come. If you thought you were miraculously cured, you'd have it tested every two weeks not waiting two years. Counter Apologist Discussion, I highly recommend starting with this since it delves into at least three of the sources I discussed. They dont want you to see this Big Tech does its best to limit what news you see. Only 15 percent according to the polling that I did believe that miracles cannot happen today," Strobel said. So we interviewed Antoinette Malumbay. A comparison of base-rates is needed and Keener doesn't seem to care about this when it comes to miracles. and Ada Thompson Professor of Biblical Studies at Asbury Theological Seminary in Kentucky. If someone gets healed, you often can't get back in contact with that person -- "it almost feels like if a miracle happens you have about 48 hours and then their gone". become the next leader of the organization that represents the 63 leading There are any examples of this, so see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15166467/ and https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/full-moon-does-not-affect-mental-health-emergency-room-study-suggests as a couple. Could it be an illusion? Adding to that, he had some skepticism about some of the charlatans who have been exposed for making false claims about healings and the like. Craig serves with me on the Board of Evangelical Theological Society. Now of course, after six minutes with no oxygen you have irreparable brain damage starting in, but Terese had no brain damage. ", "CWRU President Barbara R. Snyder is highest-paid private college president in Ohio", Office of the President: Case Western Reserve University, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Snyder&oldid=1129564651, Ohio State University College of Arts and Sciences alumni, Presidents of the Association of American Universities, Articles with dead external links from October 2016, Articles with permanently dead external links, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 26 December 2022, at 02:48. I could show you cases of arms growing back theoretically speaking and you would not believe it you would come up with natural explanations. Barbara began her academic career as an assistant professor at Case Western Reserves School of Law, then joined the faculty of Moritz College of Law at The Ohio State University. Now, Strobel, whose personal story was told through the Pure Flix feature film, book anddocumentarytitled The Case for Christ, has released The Case for Miracles, a new investigative book that relies on facts, interviews, and studies to further explore spiritual matters. But God often heals us here and yet when he does it we don't always recognize that it is God because of our world view here. Is it possible that there was MS and something else, in which case looking for a full recovery from MS is misdirected? It is a reasonable question to ask -- how much evidence is enough? James says, to refuse to put in the controls to avoid the biases we know we have, is a form of dogmatism -- we're looking for the result we already believe and we refuse to put in the methods that would allow us to isolate the different variables. And the reason Usually people don't get medical documentation even when it's available. The deaf will hear. 2021 - All rights reserved. Since these diseases are genetic, it makes it a lot less likely that she had this condition. Scott Rae: Tell me first, one of the books I'd like to talk about first is the book Impossible Love. If there's that many cases there should be enough regularity to detect these things statistically which is exactly the tools we've developed in science to do and to rule out other factors. It was easier for me for some cultures than for other cultures. It is for these sorts of problems that randomized controlled studies are developed and are necessary to distinguish effect from non-effect. We all don't get a sign or a wonder. What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? So even when, you know it doesn't happen to all of us. Now we move on to a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. My initial thought was that , A physics problem from a practice AP test came to my attention, when my daughter was in AP physics this past spring. This seems really strange, if we are to believe the magnitude of the healing -- she claims to have gone from nearly blind to nearly perfect instantaneously, yet doesn't get this checked out immediately? In particular, it includes an interview with Barbara Snyder, who was instantaneously healed from advanced multiple sclerosis, as also attested by her two physicians. After a year or two of investigation they finally concluded, and we have all of the medical documentation, that no, he had, the way they put it in their letter from the Social Security Administration, "You have received a remarkable return of your visual acuity, therefore, you are no longer qualified for disability." I mean Grant still prayed for healing all his life. As I've said before, the fact that there are no videos of this sort is strong evidence against the veracity of miracles. That's a gift from God." Like that's just assuming what you wanted to establish. Prior to that, she served as president of Case Western Reserve University from 2007 to 2020, where she encouraged interdisciplinary excellence, catalyzed institutional collaboration, and reinvigorated alumni engagement and fundraising. or perhaps it resolved in 2 years, and they never checked for a long time, only checking right after the prayer 16 years later. Feel free to reach out if you want more specifics on a given quote or study. Tell our listeners a little bit a how you two met and why you wrote the book, Impossible Love. She earned her bachelors degree from OSU. So what made you want to go in this direction? Sometimes we don't even get healing in this physical body in this life, but when it happens to any of us it's a reminder to all of us of God's plans for us. She did it. Now that also put me through some struggles because we were already close friends at that point. Even in seemingly obvious cases. The fact that the best theists can come up with are so readily handled should be a caution to anyone trusting their claims. university facing significant debt, disaffected alumni, and deep concern about But all of us are called to overcome. He says, he's going back to these passages about the coming of the [inaudible] and saying, "John, these are signs of the Kingdom right now." I am confident that Case Western The fact that they can only produce two or three, with serious procedural and reporting issues, is strong evidence that this effect is non-existent. Though he believed the Biblical stories of Christs miracles, Strobel was less convinced miracles were happening today. So how much evidence really is enough? Barbara R. Snyderis president of the Association of American Universities. This effect has been seen a lot, but a good example is the Rendelsham Forest UFO sighting where there is a big difference between the original reports and the later reports or the Barney and Betty Hill case of alien abduction where one can track the contamination of the story to popular media depictions of aliens. She actually ended up being stranded in a third country for about eight months before she could get to the U.S., but the Lord did so many miracles along the way and we're grateful for this. Thank you so much for having me. It also points to placebo as a possible contributor to the perceived magnitude of the improvement -- the amount of improvement is likely to be perceived to be higher given the expectation. If this is the Marolyn Ford case, which I think it is, then we have to consider that she worked in a church for that amount of time, and obviously got prayed for many times with no effect, and only got the healing after many years. Adapted from Editorial Theme html5up.net | @ajlkn, Now there's a downside to everything. I don't think "I don't know" should be your default position unless that's really where you fall and so what I encourage people to do is read all sides, make an inference to the best explanation and go "this is what i think is most likely the case". Earlier in her career, she served as provost of Ohio State University. I'm just wondering, is it possible to do it the other way around? Yeah, I think of my friend Nabeel Qureshi. So sometimes we don't see the outcome. Jonathan McLatchie vs Jonathan Pearce, documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=control&category_name=&submit=Search, this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing". And then I said "In Jesus's name, Amen" and so we moved on. "So she basically pulls the tube out of her throat, says, 'Go find my parents' [and] jumps out of bed.". You can get a free, one-month trialhere. It's just like a lack of imagination there's just like Christian fundamentalism and there's atheist naturalism and there's no other world views, apparently. "But my skepticism didn't go away.". because her twin didn't have it, it makes the original diagnosis questionable, the technology at the time is cited to be suboptimal in the paper, we can't tie the prayer specifically to the timeline, because of expectation effects and placebo effects, so causation is in doubt, she had a genuine improvement, but we have to ask which is more plausible, that there was a misdiagnosis (with the extra point about the twin sister) or the miracle played out in that way. Keener: what is specific about that data that suggests it isn't just a fluke you know one of those one in a million things that just happens sometimes yeah anomalies occur so it's important to look for an accumulation of anomalies so you don't just have what could be a coincidence. I would add that most of these people are praying most of the time, so it's kind of like looking for astrological causes behind earthquakes -- since earthquakes happen all the time, you can always find one preceding or succeeding any other event you want. And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.. This article wasoriginally published on Pure Flix Insider. Barbara Snyder earned a bachelor's degree in sociology from Ohio State University and a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Chicago. It also calls into question the motives of God -- God is more concerned to give you a pool table than to cure leukemia in children or heart defects or nearly anything else. Certainly months in the case of severe atrophy over the course of years. One miracle in particular stands out. Craig Keener: I think it's true in some places more than in others. Note that the STEP study mentioned below is, Let me start by saying that there have been gold standard studies before and after STEP that reached the opposite conclusion: that the group receiving prayer had better outcomes, she said. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. What is being missed here is it shouldn't matter what the skeptic says -- the evidence should be strong enough to convince the skeptic. This is the pattern we see of something that is non-existent, and the healings follow this exact same pattern. Once you admit that getting a pool table after prayer is a miracle, then you've admitted that your standards of evidence are outrageously poor. Scott Rae: So tell Give our listeners a story from the U.S. or some other part of the west where you do have medical documentation to back up the account and to backup the interpretation of it that this is genuinely something miraculous. Facebook gives people the power. But she, but it happened. successor. She is the former president of Case Western Reserve University. But if you're that kid you've got to go what's more probable: an event that just randomly happened or the God that prayed I was praying to gave me my sight back, and so that is a part of the conversation. Without further data, it is impossible to rule out these things, but you'd think the data would be available with something this recent? After you lace up your boots, hit the trail. Bizarrely, her calves were inflated and her once-atrophied muscles worked againand that's not all. This is clearly a rare medical case -- but with 7 billion people you'd expect some of these often just by the law of large numbers. Is it possible she was misdiagnosed -- it wasn't MS, so looking for an MS recovery may be misdirected? This goes a long way of establishing (or not) a causal link. Nathan: I think what we're seeing here are the fruits of apologetics in some ways. 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