Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. . G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. That is just nuts. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? 4, 3-4). I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? Market data provided by Factset. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. If you dont like it, too bad. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Will you not come and revive us? As for his preaching, we will disagree. There is nothing more basic than these. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Find a Church . John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. I find this very revealing. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. Because he is a pastor? This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Can I suggest a little more humility? MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Sadly so. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. It happens. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. ", "What is dispensationalism? The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. 4) Wrong on all counts. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. I surrendered to a calling of God. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Could you tell me the difference? Not on Amazon it aint! 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! (Ezek. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. point taken). MacArthur has written three books on the subject. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? All rights reserved. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. I'm a bank robber."[41]. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Legal Statement. . You were rightthat was not very mature. We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I dont do stock answers. 3. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Jenna . I'm a bank robber. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. What is there to apologise for? You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Can I suggest an alternative standard? JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. And lets talk about finance. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. 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