Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. After feeding on its kill, the lion will cache the prey, or bury it in a secluded spot. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Works good for road rage as well. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. Absolutely. The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. Cue the whining about how much of a shame it is to kill such a majestic animal. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. More than half of those were fawns. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. No thanks. Hardcast bullets and accuracy! P.J. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. Answer (1 of 2): Plenty of them. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. Hard cast/ full metal jacket is important in smaller calibers to at least give you penetration. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. As a retired, longtime USMC colonel buddy of mine reminded me a few weeks ago, you should be carrying, always.. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. They only work if you have them with you. That combo gets exceptional penetration you just have to have a revolver that can handle it like that the Ruger, Freedom Arms, etc. Caliber: 357 or better. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. delivered him from a mortal fate. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. Loaded with a hard cast 250 gr bullet at about 1050. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. Good article. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). 255gr. Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. Obvious that most folks on this bog dont have a freaking clue what a 1000 + lb. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. would have been just as well dead anyway. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. . It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! I am also, by trade, a Professional Land Surveyor, so my work hours are often spent in the remote wilderness areas. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. Unfortunately it seems that a sow protecting her cubs, as she is hard wired to do, is killed then the cubs are then euthanized, or as I prefer to call it, killed. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. in bear country. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. There is no doubt that bigger and more powerful handguns are preferable for hunting but self protection at close range differs greatly from hunting as it requires quick, often multiple hits, from close range while under extreme stress. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. Ill try 180s on my next cat. All cats are rats. double action using 250gr. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. Stupidity has no limits ! Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! They are most active between dusk and dawn, and generally avoid contact with humans. Also, for killing venomous snakes. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) Smith & Wesson. For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. Penetration and shot placement are king. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. After I put it down with my .357 magnum, we found both 9mm rounds stuck in the skull. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. Thanx! Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) ( nothin) lol. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. You need that big chunk of lead to penetrate deep and crush stuff as it goes. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Into a wheel gun ! I heard that some hikers on Mt. Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. Holy shit! When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. No HPs! Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. Why not? Its very light and handy to carry. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. There is a term for that. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? @1,200+ FPS and a 300gr. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. For small game, a 38 Spcl. Schalow was 10 years old at the time. Ive been privileged enough to take a couple of black bears in both Quebec and New York and have seen many more while at work and play. Im more concerned with the organized gang activity here in Denver than all of the wild animal encounters in the universe. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. # 3. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. 39% were found to . load of No. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Thanks! But the animals are wandering into populated areas more regularly in search of food. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Im not against revolvers. A starting load of 3.9 grains was decided on, and the first rounds were loaded up. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. Disease is a greater concern when lions are genetically isolated as in the Santa Ana Mountains, and could potentially contribute to future decline in that population. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. 296) Alan and Alex are correct. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. Surprisingly, I had to shoot it THREE times in the head, from INCHES away before it died. Wolves are more of a threat. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. This account from the Camp Verde Bugle, also says there were two shots. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. cougars Find where Forrest Service websites describe the various stages of Bear attacks and when to shoot in self defense. I want POWER ! Not totally true. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. 357. Good responses. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged Hell no! Put three or four gun writers in the same room, and youll usually get four different answers, but I think youre seeing a common thread here. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. P-38 was a male mountain lion born in 2012 and first collared in 2015, the statement said. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. For self defense/house protection/ Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? I like the S&W 460 as well. .38spl are pretty light loads. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. white-tailed deer Dick Casulls brainchild improves the ballistics of the .45 Colt even in modern handguns and provides an entirely different performance level for those who can handle it. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. You have entered an incorrect email address! If so, what is the problem? Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. More is always better and the bullet is the key. The Southern California man charged with shooting and killing a protected mountain lion this summer has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and was ordered to serve 240 hours of community service in . Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. And yet if you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for coyotes and small mountain lions, you are seriously underpowered for the big beasts in the woods. An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. The BS in this article is deep. coyote-wolf hybrids I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. The short barrel clears the holster fast and the Ruger frame is tougher than the S&W. Who knows? Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. 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